pods with attached security groups cannot reach Pod Identity Agent link local address

[tmehlinger]

When using security groups for pods, pods with security groups attached cannot reach the Pod Identity agent on 169.254.170.23. Any pods without security groups can reach the agent without issue. The agent pods have no security groups associated and I've ensured that the security groups on failing pods permit egress traffic on TCP port 80, and my node security group permits ingress traffic on port 80 from cluster subnets. I've tried various combinations of egress/ingress from pod/node security groups, and even a blanket policy that permits traffic to/from 0/0 with no success.

I'm using the EKS Addon with the following configuration:

            {
                "enableNetworkPolicy": "true",
                "env": {
                    "ENABLE_POD_ENI": "true",
                },
                "init": {
                    "env": {
                        "DISABLE_TCP_EARLY_DEMUX": "true"
                    }
                }
            }

I've tried running the CNI with POD_SECURITY_GROUP_ENFORCING_MODE set to standard but this causes traffic to a peered VPCs to be denied in addition to pod identity traffic being dropped (and I want strict enforcement, regardless).

Reading the documentation for standard mode behavior:

inbound/outbound traffic from another pod on the same host or another service on the same host(such as kubelet/nodeLocalDNS) won't be enforced by security group rules.

My totally wild guess about what's happening is strict mode requires enforcement of security group rules and the node security group is dropping traffic destined for a link local address as invalid.

Could someone point me the right direction? Thanks!

Environment:
Kubernetes version (use kubectl version):
Server Version: version.Info{Major:"1", Minor:"28+", GitVersion:"v1.28.5-eks-5e0fdde", GitCommit:"e78a4be9da4c375a87a109e0f4a5f4a8d2bc17c0", GitTreeState:"clean", BuildDate:"2024-01-02T20:34:46Z", GoVersion:"go1.20.12", Compiler:"gc", Platform:"linux/amd64"}

CNI Version:
v1.16.2-eksbuild.1

OS (e.g: cat /etc/os-release):
AWS EKS 1.28.5 AMI.

AME="Amazon Linux"
VERSION="2"
ID="amzn"
ID_LIKE="centos rhel fedora"
VERSION_ID="2"
PRETTY_NAME="Amazon Linux 2"
ANSI_COLOR="0;33"
CPE_NAME="cpe:2.3:o:amazon:amazon_linux:2"
HOME_URL="https://amazonlinux.com/"
SUPPORT_END="2025-06-30"

Kernel (e.g. uname -a):
Linux ip-10-0-128-192.us-west-2.compute.internal 5.10.205-195.807.amzn2.aarch64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 16 18:29:00 UTC 2024 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux

[tmehlinger]

Not sure why I thought the node security group would come into play here... traffic should never leave the node!

However, doing a bit more digging, I've found that traffic isn't being routed correctly on pods with security groups attached. Failing pod:

# traceroute -n -T 169.254.170.23 -m 5
traceroute to 169.254.170.23 (169.254.170.23), 5 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  * * *
 2  10.0.1.194  0.135 ms  0.106 ms  0.141 ms
 3  * * *
 4  * * *
 5  * * *

Compared to a pod with no security groups:

# traceroute -n -T 169.254.170.23 -m 5
traceroute to 169.254.170.23 (169.254.170.23), 5 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  169.254.170.23  0.047 ms  0.008 ms  0.008 ms

So something about security group attachment also alters the route table for the pod.

[tmehlinger]

Having now re-read the documentation and a few issues that seemed related, I have a functioning setup and a better understanding of CNI behavior. I've added the following options to my CNI config:

AWS_VPC_K8S_CNI_EXTERNALSNAT: 'true'
POD_SECURITY_GROUP_ENFORCING_MODE: 'standard'

The key insight came from pulling on the thread in #1384, which seems to be more or less the same issue here--pods with SGPP configured have their traffic routed over a branch ENI and thus entirely bypass the primary interface on the node, and can't be routed to the link local address used by the Pod Identity Agent without using standard mode and external SNAT.

I think the documentation should be updated to make clear that external SNAT and standard mode are required when using Pod Identities with SGPP. It would also be helpful to clarify the reasons why external SNAT is necessary. I suspect inbound communication to your pods from external VPNs, direct connections, and external VPCs will become a far less common use case than simply expecting Pod Identities to work. I think this should also be explained in the Pod Identities documentation so I've left feedback there as well.

It might also help to consider a more general solution for routing/forwarding traffic to link-local addresses. However, I'm admittedly quite naive on the practical challenges and implications of such a solution.

These suggestions aside, thank you for the good documentation and engagement in issues. I was able to figure this out without much effort. Hopefully this will help someone else running into the same problem. 😄

[jdn5126]

@tmehlinger thank you for reporting this and for the impressive debugging! I went looking and it does not appear that the Pod Identity agent was covered with Security Groups for Pods, which is depressing to hear, so you are likely the first person to have tried this.

Your assessment is accurate: when a pod matches a Security Group Policy, it is associated with a branch ENI and all traffic from the pod is routed through the trunk ENI on the node to ensure that EC2 security group rules are enforced.

I will bring this up with our project manager to make sure we have this documented and a plan to come up with a more generalized solution.

As a side note, I see that you have enabled Network Policy support. Do you have plans to move away from Security Groups in favor of Kubernetes network policies? That may simplify this networking setup significantly.

[orsenthil]

I think the documentation should be updated to make clear that external SNAT and standard mode are required when using Pod Identities with SGPP.

Yes, this will be the first order that will provide clarity. Thanks for the detailed report and debugging.

[tmehlinger]

No problem, happy to help. :)

Do you have plans to move away from Security Groups in favor of Kubernetes network policies?

For intra-cluster communication, yes. However, I have pods that need to communicate with other AWS resources (RDS instances, for example) in peered/isolated VPC subnets so I'll still need SGPP.

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[taer]

I ran into a very similar issue w/ Eks pod identity and enableing pod security groups. All while using ISTIO

So. first was my app stopped spawning. The containerCredentialProvider was getting mad about not being able to access instance metadata.

The istio proxy was complaining a lot about not getting to it's certificate backend.

The solution above didn't work. I'm not sure what the SNAT parameter is supposed to do here, but all my network traffic from the pod was on the new ENI, and thus was not part of the node's security group. So it couldn't talk to

• the node: Things like metadataservice for pod-identity breaks
• the cluster: It couldn't talk to the other pods on the cluster

I added the node's security group to the pod's SecurityGroupPolicy, and that worked.

On this page:
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/eks/latest/userguide/security-groups-for-pods.html

it says this
Pod security group rules aren't applied to traffic between Pods or between Pods and services, such as kubelet or nodeLocalDNS, that are on the same node. Pods using different security groups on the same node can't communicate because they are configured in different subnets, and routing is disabled between these subnets.

This doesn't seem to be true. My pod was not able to hit the Eks Pod Identity service URL when the security group was applied w/out adding the node-security group to the pod.

I ended up here with the aws-node init params, although I'm not sure which did anything useful

      - env:
        - name: DISABLE_TCP_EARLY_DEMUX
          value: "true"
        - name: ENABLE_IPv6
          value: "false"
        - name: ENABLE_POD_ENI
          value: "true"
        - name: POD_SECURITY_GROUP_ENFORCING_MODE
          value: standard
        - name: AWS_VPC_K8S_CNI_EXTERNALSNAT
          value: "true"

Version info:

$ kubectl describe daemonset aws-node --namespace kube-system | grep amazon-k8s-cni: | cut -d : -f 3
v1.18.1-eksbuild.1

[taer]

@orsenthil could we get this re-opened? This use-case is 100% optional now, but might become more important soon for us.