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doc: remove confusing reference in governance doc #9073

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At the CTC meeting today, Sakthipriyan noted that there was a link to
the CTC consensus material from the pull request consensus material. The
link was confusing because the CTC consensus material is
meeting-specific, which does not apply to pull requests. I have removed
that link.

/cc @nodejs/ctc @thefourtheye

I don't think this needs to go on the CTC agenda because it is not a change to our governance process, but if anyone else feels differently, feel free to add the ctc-agenda label.

At the CTC meeting today, Sakthipriyan noted that there was a link to
the CTC consensus material from the pull request consensus material. The
link was confusing because the CTC consensus material is
meeting-specific, which does not apply to pull requests. I have removed
that link.
@nodejs-github-bot nodejs-github-bot added the meta Issues and PRs related to the general management of the project. label Oct 13, 2016
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LGTM

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This makes the text unambiguous, but now how the consensus is reached has to be explained I think.

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jasnell commented Oct 13, 2016

while I agree that it's confusing as is, I'm not sure if this change helps.

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I agree we do need some additional info on what consensus seeking means.

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Trott commented Oct 14, 2016

OK, I added new material to explain our process. This hopefully addresses the concerns of @jasnell and @mhdawson. Please take a look.

I chose to eliminate the word consensus from this particular passage because it is a bit jargon-y in this context. I think spelling out our process in specifics (as I hope I have accurately done in the bullet points) is more useful in a document like this.

* discussion and/or additional changes result in no Collaborators objecting to
the change; previously-objecting Collaborators do not necessarily have to
sign-off on the change, but they should not be opposed to it
* the change is escalated to the CTC and the CTC approves the change; this
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What would be considered as approval by CTC? I mean any of the CTC signs off or more than one?

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I guess for something as significant as resolving an impasse on a controversial change, we should require a vote. I'll update the text to say that. We can always change the rules if that turns out to be onerous. But it seems that this comes up relatively infrequently.

for sign-off.

If there is disagreement among Collaborators about whether a proposed change
should be accepted, then the change may not be accepted unless:
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Does this sound okay? I am finding it very difficult to understand the double negatives and the meaning of this sentence

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It can probably be improved. Let me try to revise it...

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Would this be better?

If one or more Collaborators oppose a proposed change, then the change can not
be accepted unless:

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Trott commented Oct 14, 2016

Made some clarifications based on @thefourtheye's questions and pushed. PTAL

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Trott commented Oct 15, 2016

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LGTM

@rvagg rvagg force-pushed the master branch 2 times, most recently from c133999 to 83c7a88 Compare October 18, 2016 17:02
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LGTM

sign-off on the change, but they should not be opposed to it
* the change is escalated to the CTC and the CTC votes to approve the change;
this should be used only after other options (especially discussion among
the disagreeing Collaborators) have been exhausted
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minor nit: Can you capitalize the first letter in the bullet points and add appropriate punctuation at the end of each.

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Sure, done.

@Trott Trott removed the ctc-review label Oct 19, 2016
Trott added a commit to Trott/io.js that referenced this pull request Oct 19, 2016
At the CTC meeting today, Sakthipriyan noted that there was a link to
the CTC consensus material from the pull request consensus material. The
link was confusing because the CTC consensus material is
meeting-specific, which does not apply to pull requests. I have removed
that link and replaced it with a text explanation.

PR-URL: nodejs#9073
Reviewed-By: Myles Borins <myles.borins@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Sakthipriyan Vairamani <thechargingvolcano@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Michael Dawson <michael_dawson@ca.ibm.com>
Reviewed-By: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
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Trott commented Oct 19, 2016

Landed in 15b4642

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jasnell pushed a commit that referenced this pull request Oct 20, 2016
At the CTC meeting today, Sakthipriyan noted that there was a link to
the CTC consensus material from the pull request consensus material. The
link was confusing because the CTC consensus material is
meeting-specific, which does not apply to pull requests. I have removed
that link and replaced it with a text explanation.

PR-URL: #9073
Reviewed-By: Myles Borins <myles.borins@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Sakthipriyan Vairamani <thechargingvolcano@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Michael Dawson <michael_dawson@ca.ibm.com>
Reviewed-By: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
MylesBorins pushed a commit that referenced this pull request Nov 11, 2016
At the CTC meeting today, Sakthipriyan noted that there was a link to
the CTC consensus material from the pull request consensus material. The
link was confusing because the CTC consensus material is
meeting-specific, which does not apply to pull requests. I have removed
that link and replaced it with a text explanation.

PR-URL: #9073
Reviewed-By: Myles Borins <myles.borins@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Sakthipriyan Vairamani <thechargingvolcano@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Michael Dawson <michael_dawson@ca.ibm.com>
Reviewed-By: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
MylesBorins pushed a commit that referenced this pull request Nov 11, 2016
At the CTC meeting today, Sakthipriyan noted that there was a link to
the CTC consensus material from the pull request consensus material. The
link was confusing because the CTC consensus material is
meeting-specific, which does not apply to pull requests. I have removed
that link and replaced it with a text explanation.

PR-URL: #9073
Reviewed-By: Myles Borins <myles.borins@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Sakthipriyan Vairamani <thechargingvolcano@gmail.com>
Reviewed-By: Michael Dawson <michael_dawson@ca.ibm.com>
Reviewed-By: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
This was referenced Nov 22, 2016
@Trott Trott deleted the meeting-practices branch January 13, 2022 22:44
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